Drawn directly from the episode transcript. Each step includes the principle, a supporting example from the conversation, and an action you can take this week.
Step 1
Understand the difference between audience and community
An audience is a group of people who receive your content. A community is a group of people who feel they belong — to each other, to a shared purpose, to a common direction.
An audience consumes. A community participates. An audience tolerates being interrupted. A community shows up without being asked.
Most brands have audiences and call them communities. The shift from one to the other requires a qualitative change in how you design your engagement. From broadcasting to creating structures for participation, co-creation, and shared voice. This is a slower, harder path than growing a follower count. It is also significantly more durable.
Mirja draws on researchers and facilitators — Priya Parker, John A. Powell, Brené Brown — none of them rooted in marketing. Their work on belonging and participation is more directly applicable than most marketing literature. The key word is participation: "the best part of belonging is full participation." If your community has no mechanism for members to actively contribute, you have an audience.
Apply it Audit your current community: what percentage of your followers or subscribers have ever contributed something — a comment that sparked discussion, a referral, a product idea, a user-generated piece of content? If the answer is under 5%, you have an audience. The gap is your starting point.
Step 2
Start from within before reaching outward
The most common failure mode Mirja observes when working with brands: they cannot clearly describe what they stand for. Team members use different words. The founder's vision has never been translated into language others can share. The values listed on the website have never been tested against real decisions.
Before you can build external community, you need internal clarity. What is the vision? What is the narrative? What are you asking others to connect with? Without that, community-building efforts are built on sand. External community reflects internal culture.
"The biggest challenge I see when working with brands is how little people are able to describe their vision or mission. If you don't know it yourself, how would you be able to come up with activations or create platforms for it?" — Mirja Schwartz
Apply it Ask three different people in your company — from different functions — to describe in one sentence what the brand is trying to achieve in the world. If the answers are meaningfully different, you have an internal alignment gap that will undermine any external community effort.
Step 3
Build around common ground, not a target demographic
Community is built around shared interest, shared vision, or shared values. Not around demographic profiles.
The people who become the core of a brand's community are not necessarily the people who buy the most product. They are the people who see themselves in the brand's narrative and want to be part of where it is going. Seth Godin's framing: "people like us do things like this." The community is self-selecting around the idea, not the product.
The invitation to community must be articulated at the level of the idea, not the feature or the demographic.
Mirja's bike brand case: the company team was deeply passionate about cycling but had not translated that passion externally. The workshop process revealed the common ground: a philosophy about choosing bikes over cars for urban mobility. Once articulated clearly, it gave the brand a basis for community activation that went far beyond "buy our bikes."
Apply it Write the idea or shared purpose at the centre of your potential community as a statement of common ground: "We are people who believe..." Test whether the people who would resonate with it are also the people you want to reach.
Step 4
Let inside out and outside in simultaneously
Mirja's most practical principle: a healthy community is porous in both directions.
Inside-out means sharing your perspective, process, vision, and culture with the world — not as marketing, but as genuine transparency. Outside-in means actively inviting perspectives and ideas from outside your bubble into your organisation.
Communities that are only inside-out become echo chambers. Communities that are only outside-in lose direction. The balance keeps the brand fresh, grounded, and genuinely in dialogue with the people it claims to serve.
Working with the city of Stuttgart on community building: cities, like brands, often protect a narrative built 20 years ago that no longer reflects what is happening in the ecosystem. By finding new stakeholders already doing interesting things and giving them a platform, the city unlocked a new narrative it had not designed.
Apply it For the next 30 days, implement one inside-out practice (share something about your process or thinking that is normally internal-only) and one outside-in practice (actively solicit input from someone outside your organisation on a real decision). Observe what happens.
Step 5
Define community roles and invest in filling them
A community does not run itself. It requires deliberate role design.
Mirja identifies several roles that need to be actively filled. Community managers who tend to relationships and maintain the container. Connectors who are naturally skilled at bringing people together. Creators who contribute content, ideas, or work that feeds the community's shared interest. Champions — your most passionate members, who would advocate for you without incentive.
Identifying these roles and finding people to fill them is one of the most important operational investments in community building.
"It is not always the content creator in the social media sense. It could be someone who connects people, who starts conversations, who makes room for exchange. Those are contributions too." — Mirja Schwartz. A person who consistently introduces your brand members to each other is as valuable as someone who produces weekly content.
Apply it Map the three roles most critical to your community's health: who connects people, who creates content or ideas, and who manages the day-to-day. Identify whether those roles are currently being played by anyone. If not, who you could recruit to fill them.
Step 6
Use online for breadth, in-person for depth — both consistently
Online platforms enable scale. They allow a community to stay connected across time zones, maintain low-friction touchpoints, and grow beyond what any physical gathering could reach. But the deepest community bonds form in person.
The moments that create genuine belonging happen in the same room. Trust is built there. Real co-creation happens there. The experiences that make belonging feel real are physical.
Mirja's recommendation: digital for finding people and maintaining connection. Physical for creating the experiences that make belonging real. And both consistently. A one-off event creates energy, not community. A regular rhythm of interaction creates the continuity that community requires.
"You can start with Instagram or TikTok, but you will never be at a deeper level of participation if you stay there. For your core community members, you need to switch to different platforms — and this can be real-life events, gatherings, anything. But it needs consistency, not a one-off." — Mirja Schwartz
Apply it Design a 12-month community calendar: four digital touchpoints and two in-person gatherings. The specific format matters less than the consistency. Communities form through repeated contact around shared purpose.